Hi. First time poster long time user. Not sure if this is the correct subforum. Question: I was wondering if an ADS-B Exchange App can be created? It would work a lot better than having to go to the website on a phone, plus an App could utilize the GPS to show a map where you're at. I can only imagine the data can be pulled from here for the App so I don't forsee this being all that hard to create. Whats say you?
I looked using the search term adsb exchange and didn't see it, but rather some other Apps. What is its name?
ADSBx doesn't have an app specifically from ADSBx. We aren't FlightAware or Flightradar24 and making piles of money selling feeder data. We rely on the open community to make apps with ADSBx data.
Do these commercial apps pay something that helps to keep the lights on around here? I've noticed some of them get lots of promotion in places but not much if anything said about the fact of where the data is coming from. I say that because there's lots of geographic holes that could use some filling and maybe people interested in the unfiltered tracking might be willing to setup a rpi and sdr if they were pointed in this direction. Maybe just wishful thinking of getting more dedicated feeders vs mainly FA and this as an afterthought which seems most common.
There aren't really any big commercial apps using ADSBx data. We do have commercial supporters, but really only because I've been a dick about it for the last 12 months. My policy has been: There is no free lunch if you are making money off ADSBx data. That being said - we are breaking even. The next 12-18 months will be trying to secure enough cash flow that the project can continue on indefinitely. Dan and both have full time jobs. I work from home so I can be around a lot. Don't get the delusion that ADSBx is some sort of cash cow. There is a lot of interest in the data, even if we don't break even. The guys relying on it will step in to help. We give data to OpenADSB App and few other small devs. If they make some $, they will toss us some $. LiveTraffic and RealTraffic for X-Plane are using ADSBx data and supporting us with currency. One of the issues for retail type apps is ADSBx does NOT have flight plan data - so they want to track Grandma to Omaha. We only have positional information for the aircraft. Most times it what happens is someone comes for data, they are also looking at FlightStats and FlightAware etc -- when FA or FlightStats find out ADSBx is the competitor for the app data. FA or FlightStats offer the data for basically free or so low that it's free for the first year or so. That means the support that could have gone to ADSBx doesn't and they hope that eventually ADSBx runs out of money. That's it in a nutshell. FlightAware FlightRadar24 OpenSky do everything they can to fuck ADSBx because they want ADSBx gone so they can jack the price of feeder data up and increase revenues. They make millions a month using feeder data and reselling it. Feeders get a fake $89 enterprise dashboard and circle jerk to each other on leaderboards.
I agree about all the other big named providers. Missing planes was what brought me here along with their fake tracks of planes which I guess is just flight plan data which gets mixed with radar returns plus some random time delay. Not much use for 'wtf just flew over' but I guess when your audience wants to see grandmas flight it works. Sounds like the future is planned out good for sustaining things financially and I wasn't worried it was a cash cow but I know how lucrative some apps can be and I'm always skeptical of random apps riding on the work or resources of others. Keep up the good fight and honest words.
Thanks. We try. Certainly it's been l learning experience on what ADSBx can do reasonably without bankrupting ourselves. I try to be as open and honest about operations as I can, but that openness offends some people. It's hard to please everyone. The historical archive at flight-data.adsbexchange.com used to go back to 2016, we had to reduce the amount of public historical available because it was costing $5000-$10,000 a month for usage. We got a bunch of rage emails about that. Nobody offered to pay for it, but they bitched. The drama with the TCP feed for VRS, I can't control it, commercial businesses and other ADS-B sites are taking the feed and reselling it or using it to attempt to drive people away from ADSBx. Someone is squatting a fake Twitter ADSBexchange and tweeting to feed adsbhub ... Then they bitch that adsbhub data is laggy and whatever, it's being fed with VRS and SBS format, so I'm not afraid to say it's terrible data overall. And who's bankrolling that site? I've sent emails, offered data exchange, etc ,etc. I get back nothing. The 3rd guy I gave access to after firewalling the TCP was pretending to be a enthusiast feeder but was really running another ADS-B that charges $500-$1000+ a month for access to the data. They didn't contact ADSBx, they didn't ask, they just setup a site and starting selling the data. No other site gives feeders an global TCP stream of data to do what they want with. Not Flightaware, not FR24, not RB24, not a single legitimate ADS-B aggregator. https://www.adsbexchange.com/forum/threads/what-happened-to-pub-vrs-server-temporary-down-or.627653/ We had 2 or 3 sites in the UK taking the feed, selling either access or just making it public and bragging about how they are the only unfiltered global ADS-B site and you should feed them over ADSBx. Everyone wants to run an ADS-B site until they realize it costs $20,000 a month to do what ADSBx does, plus all the volunteer time to manage everything, deal with complaints, and just make sure things are working. As long as ADSBx can get the data into the hands of people that can do good things with the data. As long as I can do stuff like below, and people will send data - we'll keep doing it. https://github.com/adsbxchange/Jeffrey_Epstein_Lolita_Express https://github.com/adsbxchange/military-export-nyu https://github.com/adsbxchange/Airbus-Zephyr-Kelleher There's a war on tracking right now, and FlightAware, NBAA, and all these for profit sites are backing it. They are trying to make it so only they will have access to everything that isn't a commercial airliner. Money talks and the FAA in the US is not like the US Coast Guard when it comes to shutting down the complaints that people had with AIS tracking. Feeders will support FlightAware because they won't realize they are only seeing half the actual traffic. I'm fairly confident FlightRadar24 has been beaten by FA and is now milking it's user base with levels monthly subscriptions. I some point it might make sense to take the site private. Where only feeders have access, or you have to pay $20 a year to access it. We're not sure how to go about it.
Wow .. we are just going to ban you and delete these messages. Obviously you are immature and have mental issues.
