PA44-180 Activity All Over Texas

I'm not a pilot. I have pilot friends I've asked about this. They don't have an answer, so I created this thread to see if anybody else has any ideas.

It involves Piper Seminole PA44-180s almost all over Texas, as well as in Arizona, Oklahoma and other states, but the vast majority are found in Texas. I have probably a couple of hundred links to FlightAware aircraft flight histories of maybe 2 dozen PA44s performing what I refer to as Figure-8s. I've broken it down to two types, a normal Figure-8 and what I call a Sliding Figure-8. These planes are performing this Figure-8 maneuver regularly, and almost always on the outbound leg of their flight.

PA44s are not the only airplanes doing this. There are dozens and dozens of C-172s and P28As doing the same thing out of Conroe, Arlington Municipal, Grand Prairie, Addison, New Braunfels, San Marco, Georgetown, McKinney and PA34s out of Denton. I use the PA44 because so many of them are flying this maneuver.

Why would dozens and dozens of planes owned by a handful of companies fly these Figure-8s on the outbound legs after takeoff? Here's a perfect example. Again, I have more than 100 flights, maybe a couple of hundred flights, just in the last 9 months with this same maneuver. This example is out of New Braunfels on 10/02/2020. The pilot performed the Figure-8 at about 11:08:55, which is on the outbound leg of his flight:



Thanks folks.

 

Here ya go folks. Here's another PA44 also on 10/02/2020. I t is out of Grand Prairie. Toward the South end of its outbound leg it performed a Figure-8 near 13:01:41. Same date, at least 200 miles away:


Here is another PA44 on 10/2/2020 in the evening. It performs a Figure-8 at about 15:34:03:



My information shows almost 50 flights on 10/02/2020 with planes, not just PA44's, performed Figure-8s. I don't claim I found all of them. Most of them on the outbound legs of their flights. This plane circles Mesquite Metro before performing its Figure-8. Maybe 50 Figure-8s all on the same day. That gives some idea of the magnitude of this maneuver among small aircraft in Texas and other states:

 

You are going to love this one. This is an ADS-b screen shot of a PA44-180 over my residence. It just performed a Figure-8 at about 9:23 am as I listened to it outside. I took off from Conroe airport a little while ago. You can all check it out right now or maybe at the FlightRadar24.com:

 

I interpret this flight as a warning to me. For the simple reason that unknown forces, almost certainly DHS, do not want anyone like me drawing attention to the fact that small aircraft all over Texas and in several other states are performing these Figure-8s. I've experienced this activity for more than 3 years now, and the only conclusion I could come to is these aircraft have some type of avionics that require a Figure-8 maneuver to calibrate themselves in flight. And thereafter, the avionics package will work but needs the Figure-8 to get set properly. That's my working hypothesis about the Figure-8s since I've experienced overflights like this by multiple PA44s, P28As, C172s, Super King Air 350s and other aircraft in the last 2 1/2 years.

They don't hide it. It was my experience this activity that led me to investigate other airports, cities and states, and where I concluded planes owned by the entity that owns N882AT, the plane in the screen shot, and other companies are flying planes that routinely perform this Figure-8 maneuver all over SE, Central and North Texas, as well as other states including Oklahoma, Colorado, Arizona and other states as well.

 

I am a pilot. That is a standard maneuver for pilot training. you are probably watching training flights. p28's are Piper Archers and Piper Cherokees. Cessna 172's and p28's are the most common planes used for private pilot training. What you are seeing is what's called "turns around a point"

search for "aopa turns around a point"

It's been an awful long time since I did a Check Ride with an FAA examiner, but as memory serves you have to do them during your examinations.

 

I agree with that. I don't agree that's what is happening here. Did you see the PA44, N882AT, that performed a Figure-8 over my residence 63 minutes after I posted this thread to this forum? Just a coincidence?

Figure-8s are what I call the signatures of these PA44s. Naturally, not all of them, but certainly among a small group of companies that own them. My 10/02/2020 file shows about 50 aircraft performing that maneuver. You mean there's 50 of those in a single day out of maybe 8 airports? My pilot friends couldn't explain so many. They mentioned the training too as their best explanation.

The owner of N882AT is DOT Aviation LLC listed at FlightAware as DOT Aviation LLC (Wilmington DE) and its flight history is blocked. I see pilot instruction flights all the time from lots of private instructors and flight schools. The flight schools have websites, most of them of any size. DOT doesn't have one. Run a query for "DOT Aviation LLC" at Google and see the results. That company isn't listed with the Texas Comptroller either, so its not paying taxes to the State of Texas if its involved in instruction. I think "DOT" is an acronym for the Department of Transportation. At FAA.gov it is shown to own 21 planes, all PA44s. There is little else on the internet about it. The only physical address I can find is out of Wilmington DE. It is an unacknowledged affiliate of the big

How about this one. What is this? I've document this more than 100 times at least (I tend to think its more than 150 without counting them all).

I call it the Leg Maneuver. I expanded from my area all over Texas and a couple of other states and documented the same activity. This one has two components. The Leg, and then circling over the area to the NW of the Leg. I call it the Circle Spot. Any number of planes are performing the circles followed by a Leg Maneuver. In this case the pilot performed 2 Leg Maneuvers.

And the interesting thing about these maneuvers is they all happen over the exact same spot East of Hwy 6 South of Navasota. On the right of the Leg is a green area that looks like a Heart. That is Camp Allen, for reference:

 

Wiedehof,

Would you ask that question again. I don't quite understand. There's a group of companies I don't think are involved in instruction at all. Like DOT Aviation. There's nothing about it on the internet. Its hiding the details of its incorporation other than it was formed in Delaware. Its never been listed with the TX Comptroller's office, so its not paying taxes if its into instruction of the general public.

 

I'm only speculating here but DOT Aviation is probably somehow affiliated with DOT or with Highway patrol. These are probably law enforcement or something. The figure 8's are probably routine currency requirements for their log books. I wouldn't worry too much about it. If they are doing figure 8's over your house they probably read this forum and are flight trolling you. Agreed that would be poor form and not really funny. If anyone were really surveilling you, you probably wouldn't be able to find it on adsb... just sayin.

 

I wouldn't worry about it too much if these same folks hadn't killed more than $50,000 of my axis deer over 18 months, 117 of them. The $5,000 axis buck they killed I finally took to A&M for a necropsy. The three top vets told me they couldn't tell how the buck died. Imagine that. The morning I found the buck he was lying within 3 yards of three dead axis does. About 20 yards from that spot I found 3 dead axis does several weeks before that, all touching each other. At $400 a piece he was the only one I took over there. I knew what they'd find before I took him to A&M, nothing. None of the 117 deer had any marks of physical trauma.

I had over 100 does and in 18 months and 2 birthing season I got 2 live babies. This was not the result of a pathogen. The vets did say that and it was not from poison. in more than 20 incidents I found dead deer together at the same spot. One time I found 3 one day, and the next morning I found 2 more at the exact same location and one of them way laying over one of the 3 that died the day before.

I haven't even gone into the EMF part of this story yet.

Thanks for your reply though.

 

My own personal belief is DOT may stand for Department of Transportation which FAA is part of, but I don't know. There's just not enough information in the public record. I think its suspicious so many of these companies were formed in Delaware. That certainly hides a lot of info available with most secretaries of state.

N882AT flew close to me yesterday. Who would be watching little ole me out here in the country in the middle of nowhere?

"Agreed that would be poor....", and in 63 minutes a PA44 takes off from Conroe, flies directly up to my property, performs a Figure-8 and then makes a beeline back to Conroe? Who spends the money to troll other like that? It took 15 minutes to fly up here from Conroe, at least. I watched as it performed the Figure-8 above me. You don't think that's unusual? Other PA44s owned by DOT Aviation have been over my property for almost 2 years.

As to your last statement, the DHS, FBI and DEA don't surveil people using airplanes? Have you seen how many planes and contractor planes DHS has control over? Its ridiculous, just the number of Black Hawks it operates.

 

Its the TX Dept of Public Safety in Texas. Why would it form a company in Delaware to fly planes in Texas? It doesn't make much sense when the TX Secy of State is not far from its headquarters in Austin.

 

Thanks, but you're wrong. I won't go into the other details of why you are wrong. Suffice it to say you just aren't familiar with the other things that have gone on here in the last 3 years.

 

Here we go this morning folks. I call to your memory my first post to this thread I created was at 8:20 am yesterday morning. 63 minutes later a PA44 out of Conroe flew right to my property and performed a Figure-8 right above me as I watched. Remember, the subject of this thread was PA44 and other light aircraft performing an inordinate number of Figure-8s across Central, North & SE Texas out of about 8 or 9 airports.

This screen shot was taken at 10:33 am showing a Cessna 172S performing what I call Sliding Figure-8s. Some pilots are better than others. One at 10:27:28 on the way to my property and the second at 10:31:00 directly over me and my property. I watched it perform the first part of this Figure-8. Again, what I call a sliding Figure-8.

So, tell me the statistical probabilities of two aircraft performing Figure-8s over me and my property in a 26 hour period. This plane is Tail # N47TN. Owned by Flight Operations Aircraft LLC (Wilmington DE) & Blocked at FlightAware.com to hide its activities. Notice the (Wilmington DE), which is more or less a tell that indicates to some degree, the possibility of what I consider a stalking aircraft. I live in the middle of nowhere, rurally.

I just performed a Taxable Entity Search on the website of the Texas Comptroller for "Flight Operations Aircraft". The query returned "Business Name Flight Operations Aircraft was not found.", so if pilot instructors are collecting taxes for the State of Texas for companies and person who are flight instructors, this company is not doing that. So I am inferring the company is not a private or commercial pilot instructor.

Please correct me if my premises or reasoning is incorrect. I welcome it.

 

Here's a 2nd screen shot at 10:44 am where the plane proceeded to the NW after its last Sliding Figure-8 and then returned to a point directly over my property. It also appears that very briefly it turned off its ADS-b connection at 10:43:04. Please correct me if I'm wrong. It then turned it back on moments later.

Let me also say there is more to this than simple Figure-8s. As I wrote elsewhere it is my working hypothesis that the Figure-8s are a maneuver used to calibrate avionics on some of these planes. I concluded this from seeing more than 100 Figure-8s all performed on the outbound leg of planes from airports. Its working hypothesis.

You folks are the jury. I'm the guy providing the evidence.

 

Your Delaware comment is wrong. And DOT does not stand for Texas Department of Transportation. Why would a Texas state agency form a company in Delaware when it pays no taxes in Texas?

Your axis comment is understood. You pay more than $50,000 for 117 dead axis deer that all died without an external physical mark of trauma, and then you sit in my chair. And the A&M vets could not explain it and said they'd never seen anything like it. 4 dead deer all in the same spot on the same morning, and this happened more than 20 times. And by the way, there is no macros evolution. If you haven't figured that out by now.

Why did you even waste your time to post to this thread?

 

Here's an example of a tax-qualifying owner in Texas, Flight School of Texas LLC (Wilmington DE). This flight was on 11/20/2020 with a Figure-8 at about 15:55:00 on its outbound leg from what looks like Arlington Muni in DFW. It's a PA44-180. I just ran a Texas Comptroller Taxable Entity Search for it, and it was returned listing Taxpyers ID# of 32050254773, Zip 78701. So its name suggests it may be engaged in flight instruction, and it is listed with the Texas Comptroller as a Taxable Entity. It probably collects taxes.

I just ran a query for the company I work for, and it was returned as a Taxable Entity. The company collects sales taxes and is taxable.

Notice something else I've found interesting, its Tail # of N804AT. DOT Aviation LLC (Wilmington DE) owns about 21 PA44s. All but one of them has a Tail # of N8**AT. DOT's lowest number is N810AT and they increase from there.

I'm not saying these folks are doing anything illegal or bad. I'm putting the pieces together that some planes are stalking me and my current working hypothesis suggests to me DOT Aviation LLC's planes may qualify.

Also, does anybody know a company that operates nothing but PA44s and as many as 21 of them? I would think that stands out in the pilot community. I'm not in that community. I'm not a pilot, so I wouldn't know.

And just yesterday one of DOT's PA44s, Tail # N882AT, flew a Figure-8 directly over me within 63 minutes of the time that I posted this new thread to this forum. That's a coincidence? Just asking.

 

Here we go folks. Look who just appeared on the scene. This screen shot at ADS-b shows DOT Aviation LLC's PA44 Tail # N882AT about 3 miles WSW from my property with N47TN located to the East about 3/4 of a mile.

N882AT can't fly anywhere else in two days than 30 miles from Conroe where it took off and so close to my property. Just asking.