STARS helicopters - not transmitting?

Discussion in 'Spotting and Interesting Aircraft' started by Alex Wiebe, May 5, 2018.

  1. Alex Wiebe

    Alex Wiebe Member

    Are (Canadian) helicopters (and maybe specifically rescue/emergency ones) exempt from carrying transponders? or do they use something different?

    The STARS helicopters (http://wwwapps.tc.gc.ca/saf-sec-sur/2/ccarcs-riacc/RchSimpRes.aspx?cn=||&mn=||&sn=||&on=SHOCK|&m=||) have ICAO 24 bit ID codes, but when they fly overhead nothing shows up in my list of aircraft. I would at least expect to see the ICAO code along with a Mode-S indicator - but there's nothing.

    The organization tweets when they dispatch (https://twitter.com/STARSambulance) and I can see the helipad on the hospital downtown Winnipeg from my office. But not on my feeding station.
     
  2. James

    James Guest

    just because they have an icao doesn't mean they have a transponder. Having an icao has nothing to do with having a transponder - icao is an identification and related the registration number of an aircraft in countries like the USA and Canada
     
  3. freqhopping

    freqhopping Member

    They may just be transmitting mode C.
     
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  4. James

    James Guest

    That as well.
     
  5. IGadget

    IGadget New Member

    If they are transmitting Mode C all you'll get is their Reg # and altitude. Those are the things ATC needs to tie that data to primary radar provided bearing/speed and range. They should still show up in the log depending on what software you use.

    The 2 USCG choppers I saw this morning doing SAR we definitely running that way. Though if you really seeing nothing at all on 1090, do you have a second receiver you can put on 978?

    I don't have tracks because these were replying in ModeC only. S is backwards capable.
    2018-05-13 0400 -- probably with FLIR -- 6588 MH-65D AE26AE, Mode-S CGNR6588 MH-65 D/E Multi-Mission Cutter Helicopter (MCH)

    2018-05-13 0800 -- -- 6022 MH-60T AE2906, Mode-S C6022 MH-60T Medium Range Recovery Helicopter
     
  6. James

    James Guest

    Does he need to enable modec on dump1090?

    --modeac
     
  7. CamelInAHat

    CamelInAHat New Member

    Looking at the Designated flight areas in Winnipeg area, (Search DAH_Current_EN.pdf on navcanada site), it does not appear that a transponder is required as long as they remain under 12,500 feet.
     
  8. Alex Wiebe

    Alex Wiebe Member

    Ah, that would help explain things. I live in such a hick town :rolleyes:

    Oh well - Go Jets Go!